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Old 3rd November 2006, 00:42   #16
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Hehehe, bi de Viyana'yı alsaydık bu film tadından yenmezdi
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Old 3rd November 2006, 01:08   #17
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Ya GS ye karsi 4-0 lik maci hatirliyon mu gecen sene? Anelka, Thomas' i ve mondragon u yatirip topu direge cakmisti, sonra da tuh be diye kafa bulurcasina kacti gibisinden ellerini birbirine cirpmisti.

Bazen yenilirken bile kafa bulursun...

Butun Viyana dotu kurtardik diye seviniyordu. Istanbul' u birak Balkanlar' daki vatandasin bile mikinde degildi Viyana dusmus mu dusmemis mi muhabbeti...

Vietnam' dan cekilen ABD gibi, biz de Avusturya' dan ve Macaristan' dan cekildik...
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Biraz önce youtube'da o pozisyonu izliyordum desem Link link giderken en son onu izlemiştim, gerçi Thomas değil Song

Onlar Viyana'yı çekmek istiyorlarmış ama daha biz çağ açıp-kapayan İstanbul'un fethini çekemedik/çektiremedik.
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Old 3rd November 2006, 01:45   #19
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Tekir abi bir el at, peki nie patladi abi bize bu viyana kusatmasi, ne eksik kaldi, alsaydik notrdam mi neyse iste orya kadar yardirirmiydik, bi aydinlativer.
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Old 3rd November 2006, 03:41   #20
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Valla hocam, Birinci Viyana Kusatmasi ile Ikinci Viyana kusatmasi arasinda bir kere 150 yil fark oldugunda konjonktur cok farkli. ILkinde, Avusturya dusseydi, Notr Damme de cuma namazi kilardik da, bu kadar populasyona o devirde bakacak kasa yoktu. Ekonomik olarak catlar mahvolurduk. Aynen bugun ABD' nin catladigi gibi

150 yil, Avusturya guneyi ile Macaristan' in tamamini isgal etmisiz. Bu onemli bir rakam. Cok vergi toplanmis, kari olmus ama, ayni zamanda devleti yormus bu derece populasyon.

Ikinci Viyana Kusatmasina gelince, o kusatmanin hicbir esprisi yoktu ne yazik ki. Artik guc el degistirmisti. Birinci kusatmada en guclu alyans Alman alyansi idi. Gerci biz ilk kusatmayi guc gosterisi icin yaptik. Oraya geliriz, cicek veririz hesabi... Ikinci kusatmada guc Fransizlara, Britanyalilara geciyordu. Boku bokuna gittik.

Ha, bu Polonyalilar cok mu onemli is yapti? E tabi, yapti, kusatan askerlere suvari saldirisi beklenmedik bir gelisme oldu. Kirim hani yardim etseydi yirtardik derler de, bu biraz soru isaretli bir tez.

Ben cok onemli bulmuyorum bu savasi cunku Osmanli Imparatorlugu Koprululer doneminde eski gucunu kazandi. Asil Osmanli baskisi Avusturya' yi parcalamisti. Avusturya Macaristan' i kazansa da, uzun vadede Osmanli guclu kalmaya devam ederken, Avusturya eridi ve gitti...

Ben size bugun Turkiye ile Avusturya' yi kiyaslayin derim.
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